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There comes a time in every expansion when people get burnt out from the game or stop playing for one reason or another. A lot of guilds seem to be taking a leave of absence from raiding at this stage of the x-pac. This is nothing new, it’s happened ever since I can remember, especially this late in the expansion.
Over the last few months, countless Guilds and bloggers I follow have written about this. Vidyala wrote about it a few months ago, more recently Jaded Alt, Glowbie, Navimie and Dragonray too. I spoke about the difficulties of recruiting in my Twisted Nether interview last weekend as well as to numerous people in the Guild and out.
Coolidge and I rebuilt this Guild in August last year. Since then, we’ve been on a constant recruitment drive trying to get enough people for 10 modes. We’ve always been a small Guild and will always be one. Although I’ve found if you come from a large Guild mentality, then you can either adapt or not like the atmosphere in a small Guild as people tend to do their own thing or may infrequently get on. Some of the people in this Guild have their mains and alts here, while others only have their alts who they use to raid with us on the weekends. I think that is part of the problem though. How can we expect them to be more social in the Guild when they have their mains in another. However, there is one exception to the rule and I honestly think he’s a mutation or something as he’s as active in the Guild as anyone else who only has an alt or two in ours. <3 Az
On a more personal note though, we started quite late in FL. In fact, when a lot of Guilds were already doing Heroics, when we were just starting. Sure Cool and I had some experience in FL, in fact, the group I was in was close to getting the first boss down just before I left the Guild due to certain circumstances which had arisen.
But the fact of the matter is, I love being in a small Guild, although sometimes it’s just easier being a number in a large Guild. On the other hand, you don’t have to be in a large Guild to be social; there’s a certain intimacy you get when you know everybody well but in some ways, you also have to like each other as it’s hard to avoid someone who rubs you the wrong way day in and day out.
There have been two of those in our Guild. When the problems start to out-way the positives, something has to be done. There were numerous tells about these two but when the annoyances start to be felt in the duel leadership what other choice is there?
The problem atm is having to constantly recruit over the last seven months. There were weeks when we had enough Guildies on to get Guild credit for the first raid boss or even our first official Rag kill. But they were intermittent and all too fleeting. We had the few who were constant and reliable and the few who would join and then leave on a whim.
Having to worry about filling numbers week after week can really suck the fun out of the game. But it’s a responsibility the Co-leader and I have bore over half a year now. Truth be told, I’ve felt this way for a while now. I haven’t really been getting on as much of late as the efforts to recruit are just so draining. Especially when there’s not much to show for it. We’ve used several avenues for recruitment to no avail – three different Blizzard forums, MMO-Champion forums, Twisted Nether, trade chat, Guild finder and even a few SoR.
Today, Cool and I both felt that things aren’t going to be improving any time soon, especially with the release of the beta. I will say that the people who have left the Guild for one reason or another was for the best; but that certainly doesn’t include the ones who were well liked but have stopped playing. We will still welcome the latter with a welcome smile and open arms.
So we put it to the Guild today, that we might be halting the Raids soon, although we are willing to keep going until Jabs finishes his legendary chain (as he’s 4 weeks off from it). The news was given before our regular raid today and even after bringing in another player from our ex-guild, there were a lot of silly errors from multiple people. This meant converting the raid back to normal for Morchok, as it just wasn’t happening otherwise. It also rang true that some of the DPS is too low for Heroics and I think that’s another thing that’s hurting us right now. But we have to deal with what we have.
We have a list of names/friends we can call on to help out with a day or two but they are not willing to join the Guild. At the end of the day we need numbers but we’re not going to get it with people only wanting to come for the raid spot and not the Guild.
All I can say right now is that I’m really looking forward to playing Mists and taking my time levelling with Coolidge, exploring the new areas and experiencing everything MoP has to offer. If that means LFR when the time comes then so be it. Hopefully by then some of the fun will be injected back into the game for me and I’ll feel reinvigorated.
Looking for more… Recruiting… Mature, dedicated, reliable… they are a lot of the words I have been using lately. As the Guild Leader of MischiefUs, we have had a lot of obstacles over the last few months.
We only decided to rebuild our Guild in August of this year. It was a decision we didn’t take lightly coming from a small Guild mentality. We previously did the 10′s Guild thing on Khadgar our previous server, but after a parting of the ways we joined a larger familiar Guild since we knew a lot of the players from previous years.
Raiding for four nights a week was a big change to raiding a couple of days on the weekend. Some nights I would just be so tired from work that I didn’t really want to spend the next few hours raiding. But I did it, because it was expected of me and it was a good opportunity to get to play with my game partner who currently lives overseas as it’s one of the few times we can actually do something together. But I digress.
So in August we decided to start recruiting again as understandably the weekend times suited my other half’s playtime better. Something that I was all for because who wants to or even be willing to raid until 7am in the morning? I on the other hand became quite used to raiding in the afternoons albeit over the weekends and late enough for us that it fell between a leisurely lunch and early dinner.
Our first attempts at recruiting, attracted more alts than mains. Understandably so since most raids happen in the evenings. Upon reading the applications of our potential recruits through the Guild site, it was becoming more clear that a lot of people were looking for a place their alts could raid. Perhaps only getting on around the times to raid. At first we didn’t mind this as, among other things, we needed the numbers. If they could give their all during our raids, we didn’t mind if they played their mains, alts or poodles. (Well maybe not the poodle part).
Pugging the rest of the numbers which was probably half the raid at first became a tedious chore as the whispers we received sounded like ones who only wanted to farm trash or get carried. Some of our puggers were also very fond of the raid times, as we were told this frequently from many people but the fact was we weren’t looking for constant puggers; we wanted mature and reliable people in the Guild who could give 100% whether it was a progression attempt or farm night.
I understand that quite a few members raid with different Guilds on their mains or alts but it’s important to note that for quite a few of us, this is our only proper raid time (less LFR) so we want each raid day to be successful.
We’re also not a Guild in the habit of inviting people without checking them out. Being a small Guild, applications are the first step in determining what kind of person they are. Those that say it’s too much trouble to fill in an app or want an instant invite doesn’t really sound like the person we’re looking for. For a Guild of our size, everyone needs to get along. If there’s no cohesive group then there’s Guild Drama and it’s obvious. Bringing this type of mood into the raids in particular is not constructive and should be taken offline.
We’ve had quite a few in the past few months who have joined the Guild and then left without a word. Some of those were within a week of joining. Even with the nice looking app and all the checks made, including a verbal interview on Mumble it’s not always a guarantee. I accept that. But for those who made a realm +/or faction change, I guess they had the money to burn.
I don’t think we would have come as far as we have if we didn’t set our standards where they currently are. Sure it’s been slow going in terms of recruits but it works. Slowly but surely wins the race, right? Even trying the various methods like advertising through Twitter, the Guild and recruitment forums and in trade chat have proved fairly successful but honestly, going through weeks and months of sitting in Org and spamming the recruitment ad every 15mins or so is not my idea of fun. But still, it had to be done.
Even now, we are still having to Pug one or two each week which is getting very tiresome. Recently getting a couple of new recruits we’re still waiting to see if they pan out. Fingers crossed for that at least.
Admittedly we did use rankings as a tool because we felt we had to. With nothing to really go by except for looking us up on Armory and checking out our gear and progression could only go so far when we hadn’t been tested as a Guild before. But even that took some time as we arrived late in the game, just starting Firelands when a lot of other Guild were already working on Heroic modes. It also took a while to get things working smoothly, involving a lot of discussions before the boss pulls since most people came in with varying experience and success.
All-in-all, it’s been a long strange trip (nice name for an achievement imo) and I can only look forward in the hopes that things will be somewhat easier soon.